Episode #7 :

Scott Johnson

What It Takes to Be an Entrepreneur: Hardships & Triumphs with Scott Johnson | Ep. 7

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Starting Off Young

Every entrepreneur has to start somewhere. For frontman, Scott Johnson, his first unofficial business started with a piece of paper and a stick figure that would represent a lawnmowing business he would offer at the age of seven. He also took on the paper route for his neighborhood, trying to earn every penny he could.

Now, every Entrepreneur also has someone to look up to. For Scott, that would be his step father, a man that worked hours upon hours to provide for his family. Growing up with such a strong father figure and the influence of someone with a great work ethic, would reverberate to Scott throughout his life.

He would go on to create more than just one successful business, have bouts of being a philanthropist with his own Foundation, and inspire others to be Entrepreneurs.

Entrepreneurs Need to Stick Together

Other than his step-father, Scott finds inspiration in close friends and motivational speakers. When he moved to Bethel, Connecticut, he made friends with a local business owner, Perry Anastasakis (our first guest on the show, to be exact!). At the time, Scott was owner of Vision Designs (a t-shirt design and car lettering business) and he enjoyed the company of Perry – watching another business owner (who didn’t need to run his own business) work hard and be passionate about what he gives to his community.

It’s true what they say – Entrepreneurs tend to stick together and bounce ideas off each other. One day when Scott went into Perry’s business to order food, he asked if the people who make their shirts and letter their cars ordered as much food as he does from the business. Perry would later follow up on this comment, showing up at Scott’s work and telling Scott that he orders so much from his business, that he wanted to return the favor, and they’ve been doing those small acts of kindness between each other for years.

Hurdles You Have to Get Over

Being a business owner, especially someone who has built a business from the ground up, is not easy. Scott believes that when you find the right employees, individuals that will buy in to your business and speak the same language as you, you can create a successful company.

There will be times when you feel down and stress can take a toll on you, but it’s inspiration from other Entrepreneurs that can lift you up, but it’s truly on you to bring yourself to the finish line. You also have to be confident in what you are selling to your customers. You have to learn things that aren’t your strong suit – you have to become the sales department, you have to become every department, in fact. You need to know your business inside and out to successfully sell it to someone who requires your services. It’s a learning process, but it’s one worth the time and effort.

TimeStamps

  • 2:10 – Scott’s first business venture
  • 2:40 – Slow & Steady Wins the Entrepreneur Race
  • 4:00 – Scott’s Business Inspirations
  • 9:52 – Obstacles of being an Entrepreneur
  • 14:00 – Trudging through the Hardships

Transcript

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00:05 Chase Hutchison: Welcome, everybody, to the Mack Talks. I’m your host, Chase Hutchison. Let me start by telling you all what we’re all about. If you’re an entrepreneur, business owner, or impactful leader, the Mack Talks are the vehicle that brings you the stories that you need to hear. Thank you for joining us today. We have a very special guest on. He’s very near and dear, I’m not gonna say my heart ’cause I don’t feel like we’re there yet, so I wanna go with something a little closer than that, like lungs or something.

00:37 Scott Johnson: Easy.

00:38 CH: Scott Johnson, also known in the industry as Scotty Content. He’s a Delaware-born and Connecticut-raised entrepreneur, businessman, and community leader, with over 20 years of experience as a business owner. He’s a former president of Vision Designs located in Brookfield, Connecticut. A philanthropist, having founded Newtown Strong to raise and disperse over $20,000 in scholarship on for students from Sandy Hook Elementary School through the Newtown Scholarship Association. And he is now the current owner of Mack Media Group, a digital marketing, web design, and video production company located in Brookfield, Connecticut. He’s the most aggressive Eagles fan I think I’ve ever met, a wizard with a megaphone, and a fantastic friend, father, and boss. Scott.

01:24 SJ: You forgot husband.

01:26 CH: And husband. Scott, welcome to the podcast.

01:30 SJ: Thank you, Chase.

01:31 CH: Welcome to your podcast, I should say.

01:33 SJ: Thank you. A little role reversal here. I’m on the other side, which is gonna be interesting.

01:38 CH: Yeah.

01:38 SJ: So usually I’m in your seat, but now I’m in the hot seat.

01:41 CH: Yep, using the hot seat, so I’m gonna grill them with some tough questions.

01:44 SJ: Alright.

01:44 CH: We’re not throwing a soft balls today, we’re throwing fastballs. Right down the middle.

01:47 SJ: Let’s get there. Just keep in mind, I am your boss, so let’s just keep it there.

01:51 CH: Alright. Alright. Alright. With that in the back of my mind, let’s get forward, let’s get moving here. So, Scott, I wanna cover a little bit of your history here. I want you to take us back to the very beginning. How did you get started as an entrepreneur? What was your first business venture? And how did it work out for you? Was it something that you felt you always had, or was it something that you developed over time?

02:20 SJ: Personally, I feel like it’s something that I’ve always had. At a very young age, I think I was probably about 10 years old, I wanted to make some extra money, and obviously I couldn’t get a job at the time. So what I did was I sat down with my stepdad at the time, Al Vitro, and we sat there and we kinda drew up a little flier. He was an amazing artist, not really, but it was more of like a stick figure guy pushing a lawnmower, and it had all of my information on it. I went around throughout the neighborhood knocking on doors and basically passing that flyer out. And then, from there, just like other kids, I had newspaper routes and things of that nature. So I do consider myself to kinda always been an entrepreneur. I think one of the reasons why is I’ve always kind of, like a lot of entrepreneurs, maybe have a little bit of an issue with authority to a certain extent, as to where I wanna do things my way. And obviously, when you’re self-employed, it’s much easier to do things your way, so.

03:25 CH: Yeah, definitely. So how did it work, your first business venture, if you could take us back? You said that you started your own business, you kind of drew up a little plan with your step-dad. So how did you market yourself? You said you just put up flyers and you just spread by word of mouth?

03:48 SJ: Yep.

03:50 CH: What was that feeling you got? Do you think the feeling you got from getting your first clients and getting that first paycheck, do you think that’s really something that lit the fire in your belly?

04:01 SJ: Yeah, I think so. I think so. When you can go out as a 10-year-old and do something and create income on your own, it kinda really sets the path moving forward through the rest of your career or what it may be. So I’m not somebody that really loved to do manual labor, but like I said before, I would much rather be somebody doing manual labor under my own terms than to work for somebody else. Now, obviously, being 10 years old, I really couldn’t work for somebody else, so I got my work ethic, my stepfather came into my life when I was about seven years old, and I’ve got my work ethic from him. He’s a really hardworking guy, and put in a lot of hours and a lot of hard work to take care of us, and that’s something I always appreciated and I always looked up to. But, yeah, he helped me get going, he helped me with the flyers, passed it out, passed out the flyers. Obviously, he would drive to go get me gas, which I would try to convince him to pay for, which in most cases, he did. So yeah, it was a cool little thing that I kinda did that kinda got me going in the beginning, you know what I mean?

05:15 CH: So something that set you up for what we’re doing today, what you’ve done in the past, it’s definitely been a huge influence on you.

05:22 SJ: Yep.

05:23 CH: So kind of in that same vein, besides your stepdad who we could definitely talk a little bit more about him as an inspiration to you, but I wanted to go into who have been your biggest inspirations. Did you always look up to somebody? You mentioned your stepdad, but moving forward, even as a grown man, owning your own business, were there people that you really looked at and said, “That’s what I wanna do. That’s who I wanna be,” or was this something you developed on your own? You just became…

05:53 SJ: I think I kinda developed a little bit of it on my own. I mean, definitely, my stepfather was somebody that I definitely, like I said, that I looked up to, because he was a hard worker, because he gave everything he had to his family, that’s something that I truly, truly appreciated, so I looked up to him. And then throughout the years, just different partners and stuff like that, people that had different skill sets that I had, I would look up to them to be able to try to learn those skill sets. And then another somebody that I consider a really, really close friend and a mentor, which we had on the show, Perry, which I’ll let you say his last name, because I’ll butcher it.

06:33 CH: Perry Anastasakis.

06:34 SJ: Yes, exactly.

06:35 CH: I’ll give you, it’s tough. That’s not easy.

06:37 SJ: It’s a tough name. It’s a tough name to say.

06:38 CH: Greek names are tough.

06:39 SJ: And it’s kind of funny ’cause we’re really close buds, but when I got to meet Perry, and I was pretty far within my career, but it’s almost like a rejuvenation of the fire inside of me, as he would say, the fire in his belly. I moved to Bethel, and it’s kind of a funny story. So at the time I owned Vision Designs, I moved to Bethel, I had wrapped Tahoe at the time, and we used to order from Famous quite often, always fresh food, always great service. They have excellent salads, so I was known as the salad King. And it was kind of funny because we used to order from them a lot, and I’d say to myself, I’d be like, “I don’t know who’s doing this guy’s t-shirts and vehicle lettering, but I hope they order as much from him as I do,” is what I kinda said.

07:32 CH: Yeah.

07:33 SJ: And then next week the later, Perry comes into our office and says the exact same thing to me. He says, “Well, you order so much from me, I wanna support you. I need to get these couple of vehicles lettered. And then kinda from there, found out he was an Eagles fan, and we just kinda really hit it off. And he’s somebody, like I said, that I look up to. He works really, really hard. He could easily pay somebody to run his place for him and not work as hard, but it’s that type of dedication that you see from somebody that’s been doing it even longer than you. And we’ve gone to Eagles games together, we’ve made it an amazing video. He’s made an amazing testimonial about me, which was pretty funny ’cause he much just roasted me, but it was fun.

08:21 SJ: And we’ve had a lot of fun together and he’s kind of always been there when I have questions and stuff like that, about business and about how to handle situations, whether it be with employees or even raising kids and stuff like that. So he’s always been here, he’s a great guy that I always kinda look up to. And besides that, I look up to a lot of the motivational speakers that are out there. I know you gotta take bits and pieces from what they say. But Gary Vaynerchuk, Tony Robbins, not Tai Lopez. Yeah. I mean, that’s kind of the people that I’ve kind of looked up to.

09:05 CH: And that’s one of the things that I’ve learned a lot, is that as much as you have this belief in yourself and the fire in your belly, and from a young age, you know that you’re an entrepreneur, you know you can make an impact, you need people around you to look up to and people to show you what to do, because you can do a lot, but you can’t do it all yourself. And that’s something that I’m learning more and more working with you, that you’re definitely like a mentor to me, and I’ve learned… I’d like to say I completely changed as a person, hopefully for the better, but stuff that you don’t realize in business, you think you know it all. And so piggy-backing off that, I wanted to ask you about some of the obstacles that you’ve face as an entrepreneur. I know there’s a million, there’s a million obstacles; there’s competition, there’s problems you can have internally, but what has been kind of the biggest things for you to get over, to overcome, as an entrepreneur in order to move forward? What sticks out to you?

10:09 SJ: Well, I mean, getting everybody to kind of buy-in, that’s something that can be challenging and that can be tough, and it’s something that never goes away. Getting your employees… And I think that’s one of the reasons why we’ve hit it off so well, is the fact that you get it and you’re bought in, and when your employees buy into what you’re doing and your beliefs and you kinda speak the same language, obviously that’s what makes for a successful company. So that’s one of the things that’s extremely difficult. And I mean, just business in general, it’s hard, you know what I mean?

10:44 CH: Yeah.

10:46 SJ: The emotional and the stress toll that it kinda takes on you can be really tough. So that’s where it comes in, speaking to other entrepreneurs and stuff, because you gotta be able to speak to that person that’s been banging their heads against the wall or something that they believe in. So obviously, this is my… I don’t even know, third business, I think, third or fourth business. And every year that goes by, every experience that you have, you learn a little more. So for me, it’s getting everybody to buy in, it’s that consistency that you have to do over and over again. But, yeah, those are some of the obstacles. And then obviously, just having to learn things that aren’t your strong suit. You have to become an accountant, more or less, you have to become sales, you have to understand your production, you have to understand everything from a high level. And that’s something that I feel that I’ve done a pretty good job with, but it’s something that I’m constantly evolving and trying to be better at.

11:55 CH: Do you think that that’s something that some people have more than others? Do you think there’s a real difference between… Do you think you can just train someone up to see the bigger picture? Do you think they just…

12:09 SJ: I don’t know. I’m sure somebody like Tony Robbins would probably say, “Yes, you could,” but I don’t know. Either you have it or you don’t, in certain situations. And lots of people wanna be entrepreneurs, and it sounds great, but you have to have that discipline, and you have to be able to push through the tough times, ’cause like I said, it’s stressful and it’s lonely. It’s lonely because only really you kinda know, and that’s what kind of one other reason why we get along so well, because you sit right next to me, unfortunately for you. Guy keeps asking for his own office, he ain’t getting one. You sit right in front of me so you get to experience the ups and the downs, and trying to stay even-keeled and try not to let things eat you up because that’s something that business and entrepreneurialship can do. So you gotta be able to push through those type of things and…

13:10 CH: And I always thought, since I started, what an opportunity it is to be in the same room with someone who has such an operation going on. I think just as being present for that and listening and hearing and trying to learn from someone else like that is just… You can’t put a price tag on it really. Moving forward, it’s just such a valuable skill to be able to take away. So that alone was huge for me, just to get involved with a leader like yourself. We’ve talked about the setbacks, the obstacles, and then we’ve talked about your inspiration. I wanna talk about some big moments for you that kinda keep you moving, what keeps you going and staying on the path when things just get so dark? I know, as a business owner, you can lose money, you can make money, but there’s always something going on that you have to fix. What keeps you going? What makes you…

14:12 SJ: For me, it’s family. And it might not be the healthiest way of being in business, to be fear-driven, I don’t think that that’s the best way, ’cause you should be motivational and you should be able to see it, but you gotta have that fear in you that if you’re not gonna be there to… If you’re not gonna be here when that bell rings, someone else is. So that’s kind of something that I’ve always… You have to outwork your competitors. You have to put in the time and you have to really grind away.

14:49 CH: I’ve always got that feeling that if I’m here working and somebody else is slacking off, I’m ahead. There’s always been that in the back of my mind. I think Will Smith said it. I listen to a lot of motivational speakers as well. And one of them, those guys said it, and they just said, “Look, while you guys are home watching Netflix and eating junk food, I’m up early in the morning, going to the gym coming here to work early so I could be ready for the day and stuff like that.” So that’s always been that competitive edge, I guess you could say. And I think you have it too. But I think you’re really family motivated. Obviously, you wanna create an amazing future for your children, I think a lot of entrepreneurs share that.

15:32 SJ: And I’m really motivated to try to provide careers for people.

15:36 CH: Yeah.

15:37 SJ: I feel like, for me, it’s just as important for me to make it, I see as for us to make it, you know what I mean? And to keep pushing forward for your employees because they can have a better life and they can have a better career based upon the decisions that I make. So when you make decisions and you land a large account, it’s just a great, rewarding feeling that you can almost, I don’t wanna say celebrate, but it gives you that motivation and it gives you that fuel to keep going. And to be able to get those wins with your employees kind of together. And to have that kind of togetherness, I think is really important to me.

16:23 CH: Yeah, that’s definitely a factor. And they say the tide raises all ships, so when we’re all doing… When one person does well, when we land something big, when we grow as a company, everybody grows, and that’s huge. And for everybody to understand that and be on board with that, is huge. Alright. So the next portion that I wanna cover is, I’ve heard this a bunch of times, but I want our audiences to hear the background of Mack Media. What got you started with digital marketing, what inspired you to start Mack Media, and just tell us a little bit about the beginnings, because I feel like our listeners haven’t gotten enough of a background on us and what we do. The podcast is great, it’s a great platform, but why don’t you just tell us a little bit about that.

17:12 SJ: Yeah. So originally, the name of the company was Vision Graphics. I ran it for a few years on my own. A small company, I was doing everything all on my own. And then I met my Yellow Book sales rep at the time, his name is Dan Lombardo. He comes into my office, and we just kinda hit it off. He started coming there a lot, hanging out, sold me an ad, left, and then I called him a couple of weeks later and I basically told him like, “Listen, I don’t think that I can have afford this ad. I don’t think I really wanna do it.” And he goes, “Oh, I’ll come in and I’ll talk to you.” So he came in and he talked to me and he actually sold me a bigger ad. And I give a lot of my sales background that I have and stuff, I pay a lot of homage to him for teaching me a lot of the stuff that he did. So we basically just really hit it off. And then from there, he said to me, “Go through the book, pick out some contacts. I’ll help you out, I’ll get you some leads.”

18:17 SJ: So it’s kind of funny, he would always be hanging out at the office and his friends would call or his other co-workers that he was working with or with the Yellow Book would call. You’d be like, “Yeah, he’s at the T-shirt guy’s place. He’s at the T-shirt guy’s place.” So I went through a really kind of a rough divorce, and I wasn’t sure if I wanted to stay in business or not, and it was just kind of a crossroads for me. And Dan came in and we spoke, and he said, “I’ve got a friend who also worked at the Yellow Book, by the name of Tom Filey, and we’re looking to get involved in a business,” ’cause they have an entrepreneurial spirit to them. So we decided to kinda partner up. We changed the name to Vision Designs. And from there, like I said, I learned a lot from those guys because they had more of a corporate… I’ve just been, always just been kind of a quick talker and just common sense, like street knowledge type stuff, you know what I mean? They had more of a corporate background training from the Yellow Book. So they came in, they implemented a lot of the things that they had learned, and we were able to grow the company substantially based upon bringing them on board.

19:36 SJ: And we kinda hit a wall. So we needed to branch out and to grow our business. We were up sucking up all the business within sight of the Danbury area. So what we needed to do was we need to branch out further to be able to increase our revenue, ’cause we were young guys and we wanted to scale and we wanted to grow the company. So at that time, that’s when we… We already had a website, but what we did was we revamped our website. And then from there, we started doing some digital marketing. Now, we didn’t really know anything about it. That’s when people would call you about SEO, you would have no idea what they’re talking about. They’re like, “What is this guy talking about?” You think people are confused now, imagine it 15 years ago. You know what I mean?

20:20 CH: So different.

20:23 SJ: So we would go through all these different large companies which will remain nameless, and we just really weren’t getting results, and we were kind of going down this road over and over again. So what we decided to do was, I said, “You know what? I’m gonna start Mack Media, and instead of paying those companies, I’m gonna have an employee that’s good at writing and that we can kind of work together and learn this digital marketing industry.” And then from there, we acquired another sign company as well called Briscoe Signs. And then from there, what we were able to do was start to understand digital marketing, and start to kind of really understand where we wanted to rank, the keywords we wanted to rank for to be able to grow our business. From there we started ranking from there we started ranking in Stanford for channel letters, pylon signs. And the cool part about it was we actually had two websites because we bought the other company. So if you did a search for channel letters in Stanford, we would be three out of the 11 that showed up, which was great.

21:39 CH: And that’s where they were located, Stanford?

21:40 SJ: What’s that?

21:41 CH: That’s where Briscoe Signs…

21:42 SJ: No, they were actually located in Danbury. But just having the power of both sites and his domain is so old that it was actually easier to rank than the Vision one.

21:53 CH: Yeah.

21:54 SJ: So we were able to get a lot of accounts and really, really scale the business. From there we substantially grew the company, to the point where we bought our own building, and just kept growing and growing. And then at that point, I really wanted to make a career change because I felt as though I figured something out. And we’re in such the early stages of digital marketing.

22:24 CH: Yeah.

22:24 SJ: It feels like we’ve been doing this and searching on our phones for years, but in all actuality, and it has been years, but we feel like it’s been going on forever, and it’s not. I always like to say we’re still in the black and white TV bunny year stages ’cause we really are. And it’s gonna evolve very quickly into voice search and other things like that. So I sold to Dan and Tom, and I started going at Mack Media full-time. I stayed in the same building. All my clients that would come in, I would talk to them. We started bringing in some of those clients, billing websites, doing some marketing for them. And then the business got much bigger, and we needed to start having a lot of interns and a lot of other employees, so that’s when we moved up the road, and now we’re at the unit that we’re at now which is 3500 square feet, and we’ve got about 10 employees and a lot of interns as well.

23:28 CH: It sounds like it was a mixture of strategy, but also just figuring things out along the way. So you had a plan for what you wanted to do but you can’t always plan for the curve balls that life is gonna throw you. So you just reacted in the way that you did. And here we are today, Mack Media, it’s churning, we’re growing. Last year, we did 33% growth from 2017, so we’ve been just really, really moving along, and I feel like it’s moving more and more in this direction anyway.

24:07 SJ: Yeah. I know that I’m driving the ship, but everybody here, our whole team that we have in place, Sam, Shayna, yourself, Julio, Brandon, Amanda, everybody here, they’re bought in, and they feel like it’s something that they wanna be a part of. And I hope that that’s the message that I send. Like I said, I can be stressful at times, but ultimately, I want what’s best for my employees. I want to be able to grow this thing for all of us and be able to look back. And although we’ve done great, we have a long ways to go. And I don’t foresee as I cross the finish line or anything like that. You gotta keep grinding and you gotta keep hustling, I feel that that’s what we all do, so.

25:02 CH: Alright, great. Well, I feel like we covered a lot. Your background, your history, I’m gonna kinda bring it to a close now. I was gonna see if Kev, the intern, had a little question for us here, for a question for Scott. You wanna come over?

25:16 Kev: Sure, why not? I was wondering…

25:19 SJ: Get up on that mic there, Kev. Get up on the mic.

25:20 CH: Get up on the mic.

25:22 Kev: I was wondering, as the busy person you are, as the busy person you are, how do you take mental breaks, or do you take mental breaks?

25:32 SJ: Well…

25:33 CH: That’s a good question.

25:33 SJ: Yeah. I mean, honestly…

25:36 CH: Thanks, Kev.

25:36 Kev: No worries.

25:36 SJ: One of our client… It’s a great question, Kev. One of our clients is Jeremy Richman from the Avielle Foundation, and I’ve been learning a lot from their organization and the events that they kinda put on. So one of the things that I’ve really been trying to do a lot lately is meditate, because I feel as though that is really important. I just keep grinding away at it and just keep not giving up on it. I have the type of brain that’s really hard to shut down, even when I’m sleeping, I’m still churning. Another thing I like to do is exercise. I exercise a lot because I have to be able to get that out.

26:22 CH: Yeah, definitely.

26:23 SJ: And I’ve got a great support system. I talk to my kids about my struggles, and they kinda cheer me on as well, just so they can kinda see what I go through. My wife, Karla, has always been there for me throughout this process, and she’s always been a strong support system for me, same thing with my mom. So for me, trying to turn it off is important. We go on vacation, not often, but we try to get away on the weekends and stuff like that. But yeah, I would say, exercise’s key, trying to relax understanding that everything can’t go your way. Those are some of the toughest things to be able to do, and those are the reasons why you have to try to shut down.

27:15 CH: Yeah. I think having your own side passions are important, even if it’s just being a huge Eagles fans, and following that franchise, and just being like… You’re the biggest Eagles fan I’ve ever met, and you let everybody know it up front.

27:30 SJ: You’re damn right.

27:30 CH: You’ve got some Eagles gear here in the studio. It’s just…

27:33 SJ: Yeah. So that’s definitely something as well. Like sports. When I go to sporting events, I’m locked in. You know what I mean? And honestly, going to Eagles games with Perry or going to eagles games with my family, that’s something that takes a lot off because you just can kind of cut loose and and heckle Giants fans mainly, that’s generally the best thing to do. When start chanting Turnpike north to Giants fans when you’re down at the link. But yeah, sports, different things like that, exercise, it’s hard because you gotta squeeze the time in, and also watching my kids grow and being…

28:20 CH: But you need to have that. And I say it all the time, I say Scott’s brain is sometimes like a faucet, and it doesn’t have an off button, so it needs to go somewhere, it needs to be channeled. I think all of the struggle with that, in a way, I think it’s especially true in your case because you’re entrepreneur and you have so much going on. But yeah, I always say that’s something that is as important as the work that you do because that’s what’s gonna get you up in the morning that next day feeling good, refreshed, like you’re ready to take it on, rather than just being beat down.

29:00 SJ: Yeah. And honestly, this podcast too is another one, because when I can talk to other entrepreneurs and I can hear their stories, and I can hear the things that they’re doing, it just rejuvenate me, you know what I mean?

29:13 CH: I know. It’s awesome.

29:13 SJ: It’s awesome. And obviously, there’s no real money in doing a podcast. It’s not like we’re making money off of this, we’re actually spending money. But I feel as though it’s almost kind of like a therapy for me to a certain extent. This is our… I think it’s our eighth or seventh or eighth episode. We have these guests come in and they’re great and they’re inspiring, and to be able to hear other people talk about their story is something that helps me keep pushing forward.

29:42 CH: There’s always something to take away from these, I find. Every session we have is…

29:47 SJ: And I hope we’re providing value to people that are out there. I know that we’re still growing our base and stuff like that, but I really enjoy it and I think we’re gonna get better and better at it. We have some great guests that are coming up in the future. We’ve got a portable like now, just in case we ever wanna take it to the streets. And I’m excited, I think it’s gonna be fun.

30:10 CH: There’s so much more to come from the Mack Talks. Like Scott said, we’re gonna be hitting the streets, we’re gonna be going to some events, we’re thinking about doing maybe some vlogs, some mobile podcast where we’re gonna set up, interview people on the spot, and that’s gonna be a lot of fun. I’m looking forward to that.

30:25 SJ: Yeah.

30:26 CH: So Scott, thanks for coming on to your show.

30:28 SJ: Hey, no problem. In our studio/office.

30:30 CH: It was so easy to get you. I had to ask you.

30:34 SJ: It was actually you just had to nag me to move over 5 feet over to this table from my desk.

30:38 CH: I had to ask you for that.

30:39 SJ: Thanks for having me, guys.

30:39 CH: Awesome.

30:40 SJ: I appreciate it.

30:41 CH: Alright. So I’m gonna close us out here with a little bit of information about Scott and then about Mack Media and the Mack Talks. For all of our listeners, if you like our content, please feel free to leave us a review on iTunes, subscribe to our YouTube channel, and like us on Facebook. Also you can find us on Instagram, that’s @MackTalks. Scott, he’s on Instagram as well. You can give him a follow. His tag is @Scotty_Content_, that’s @Scotty_Content_. If you wanna find more information about Mack Media, we’re a web design, digital marketing, video production company here in Connecticut. You could visit our website, that’s www.MackMediaGroup.com. We’re also on Instagram and Facebook, that’s @MackMediaGroup. So you can find us on those outlets, follow us, share.

31:40 SJ: Give them your handle. Give your handle as well.

31:41 CH: My handle, if you wanna follow me on Instagram, my handle is @Chase_.

31:47 SJ: Zach Morris.

31:48 CH: No.

31:48 SJ: @ZachMorris_SavedByTheBellend.

31:54 SJ: Sorry, go ahead. I apologize. I had to get a little roast in there, sorry.

31:58 CH: I mean, I kind of resemble him.

32:00 SJ: A little bit. You don’t have jeans on, but.

32:00 CH: @Chase_Hutchison_, and that’s on Instagram, so give me a follow. I only have like 280. Alright, let’s close it out. Thanks folks, thanks everybody for tuning in.

32:17 SJ: Thank you, Chase. I appreciate you having me.

32:19 CH: Thank you very much, Scott, for coming on. Alright, that’s it. That’s a wrap.

32:22 SJ: Thanks.