Episode #33 :

David Meltzer

Game-Time Decision Making with David Meltzer | Ep. 33

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David is the current CEO of Sports 1 Marketing & S1 Media House, an award-winning humanitarian, the host of the Playbook podcast, a best-selling author, and an award-winning inspirational speaker. With 25 years of experience as an entrepreneur and executive in the legal, technology, sports, & entertainment fields under his belt, he continues his mission to “make a lot of money, help a lot of people, and have a lot of fun.” To further that mission, his newest book release, Game-Time Decision Making: High-Scoring Business Strategies from the Biggest Names in Sports, offers a playbook to making business decisions with the same confidence and clarity as the world’s best sports coaches.

Feeling Lost 

Be more interested than interesting. Carried and branded himself. CEO of the world’s first smartphone the PC phone no technology background. Lost all that he was raised on, surrounded himself with the wrong people and mentality and went down a terrible spiral. He was even warned by his father two years before this downfall and his best friend even said that he was not surrounded by good people. He lost over 100 million dollars and be able to turn it around with power and purpose. Meltzer explains how he focuses on acceleration and growth and that he does a lot of business coaching and executive coaching now.

Game-Time Decision Making

Meltzer explains his meaning to, “money does buy happiness,” he was able to buy his mom a car and house which made him happy and even built two community centers in Africa and it really brought happiness to his life. Money has allowed him to do a lot of cool things and he further explains how important it is. He gives a lot of advice on growing in the industry, one being, “Ask, ask ask for help. Asking people if anyone can help with where you want to be or get to, will grow your network.” Prioritize what’s important now, and you will be more successful in the long-run. This podcast has a lot of insight from Meltzer. Visit his website to learn more or buy his new book on Amazon!

Highlights from this episode:

» 4:07 9:27 – Becoming a Millionaire
» 10:20 13:15 – Losing it All
» 13:39 14:30 – Becoming a Speaker
» 14:3817:30 – Game Time Decision Making
» 17:43 – 20:23 – Sports One Marketing
» 20:2521:53 – Can Money Buy Happiness?
» 21:5325:38 – Utilizing your Network
» 25:5128:08 – Advice for Young Entrepreneurs
» 29:49 32:07 Fornite Millionaire
» 32:17 35:43 – Kanye West Star Wars Affordable Housing
» 35:5140:30 Nike Joyrides Plastic Pollution
» 40:5443:40 – NCAA is BS
» 43:4547:02 – A$AP Rocky in Sweden

Transcript

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00:06 Scott Johnson: Welcome to The Mack Talks everybody. I am your host, Scott Johnson, President of the Mack Media Group Digital Marketing Agency located here in Brookfield, Connecticut. This guy across from me is my co-host, Chase Hutchison.

00:19 Chase Hutchison: Hi, guys.

00:20 SJ: Chase, quickly tell everybody and our guest what our program is all about.

00:23 CH: So, as always, if you’re a business owner, entrepreneur or impactful leader, The Mack Talks are the vehicle that bring you the stories that you need to hear.

00:32 SJ: Damn right. And today, we’ve got a great guest as always. Super excited to pick his brain and to get him on the program. So Chase, why don’t you go ahead and intro our guest?

00:44 CH: Alright. So a wise man once told me that the true definition of an entrepreneur is someone who can grow and evolve. And if that’s the case and that’s the definition we’re going by, then David Meltzer is the perfect embodiment of entrepreneur. He’s the current CEO of Sports 1 Marketing, S1 Media House. He’s an award-winning humanitarian, the host of The Playbook podcast, a best-selling author and an award-winning inspirational speaker. With 25 years of experience as an entrepreneur and executive in the legal technology, sports and entertainment fields under his belt, he continues his mission to make a lot of money, help a lot of people and have a lot of fun. To further that mission, his newest book release Game-Time Decision Making: High-Scoring Business Strategies from the Biggest Names in Sports offers a playbook to making business decisions with the same confidence and clarity as the world’s best coaches. David, thanks so much for coming on the podcast. It’s awesome to have you. How are you doing?

01:41 David Meltzer: Oh, it’s awesome to be here. I’m excited to wrap it up with the Mack guys, so let’s do this.

01:45 SJ: Awesome, man. That’s great, that’s great. So, yeah, let’s just kinda jump in and talk about your entrepreneurial story. So I mean, we’ve watched you speak on TED Talks and a lot of your stuff, you have an amazing story. It’s kind of amazing how you’ve kinda, like what he said, evolved throughout the years. You were in a lot of different things, you’ve had ups, you’ve had downs. So tell us a little bit about your entrepreneurial story if you could.

02:10 DM: Yeah, you know, for me, it was always having the perspective of that the universe would clothe my imagination. So I never could limit my point of entry and my journey was really purposeful, the first half of my journey, just to be rich. I grew up with six kids, five boys and a girl, single mom. Only time I wasn’t happy… We had a two-bedroom apartment. My mom worked two jobs. She was a second grade teacher and filled up turnstiles at the 7-Elevens and Lawsons, the convenience stores and packed our dinners in the car, peanut butter and jelly or baloney with mustard, whatever it was, but I was super happy. Only time I wasn’t happy was when I caught her crying over financial stress. Car would breakdown, dishwasher, couldn’t go to summer camp and my mom would cry. And I still get choked up over it, because she sacrificed so much and I just in my mind said, “You know what, I’m gonna buy my mom a house and a car.” I was five years old and I said, “I’m gonna be a millionaire and if I’m a millionaire, I can buy my mom a house, a car and retire myself.” That’s what I figured a million dollars would do back then.

[chuckle]

03:12 DM: Anyway, I just believed that with… At that time, working hard, working smart and I also had a perspective of working long. I wasn’t afraid of waiting until… My mom, she wanted me to be a doctor, lawyer or failure. I wanted to be a professional football player at five, so I wasn’t afraid to wait till I was 22 to be a millionaire and do every single thing I could to pursue my potential as a football player. I actually ended up going to college and playing football.

03:42 CH: Oh, wow, I didn’t know that.

03:44 DM: Yeah, my dreams died of an NFL star my very first play my freshman year when Christian Okoye literally ran me over. [laughter] He stepped on my chest. I took a little pride later on in my career to know that he’s the AFC Player of the Year. But I realized then, as I lied on my back, doctor, lawyer or failure. I went the doctor route until my brother told me doctors had to be in hospitals, and I hated hospitals. But at that time, my brother gave me the best entrepreneur advice of my life. He didn’t know it, but he told me to be more interested than interesting. And I kinda skirted through everything but football. I’d skirted through being more interesting. I just was hyper-intelligent when it came to school. It wasn’t hard, I just wasn’t interested.

04:33 DM: And when I realized that I was 18 years old, pre-med at a great college, I wasn’t gonna be an NFL star, and I literally almost ended up in med school when… I hate hospitals. I mean, it is the… I just thought I could be a sports doctor and be on fields and training rooms and I had no idea…

04:50 SJ: That you had to get to the… Yeah.

04:50 DM: Because I wasn’t interested, right? I was just good at school, so why should I be interested in what a doctor actually does? And I think that’s the problem with being an entrepreneur. People are on this surface level of wanting to make a lot of money and be free of their own choices. I just had a couple of entrepreneurs in here and they’ve raised second round already, they’re a multi-million dollar company, and they’re still broke, right?

05:15 DM: They’re still on the journey. And so, I’ve been cool enough though, I became more interested, really interested, and I chose to go to law school to be rich. And I chose the law school I chose, because I actually re-engineered, reverse engineered what the highest paid job out of law school was. I found out it was oil and gas litigator, I found out Tulane University had the best oil and gas program, ’cause they taught civil and common law. And I went through that law school, although my mom thought it was to party. [chuckle] I went there to be rich, to be an oil and gas litigator.

05:51 DM: Then, because I was more interested than interesting, I ended up getting two job offers. One, to be an entrepreneur, sell legal research online for West Publishing and the other was to be an oil and gas litigator. I then took, despite second lesson, my mom’s advice, I took the job in the Internet. My mom actually told me the Internet was a fad [chuckle] and that if I didn’t take the law job, I was a waste. Like literally, I was the failure because I took the job in the internet, and she was so worried about me. But the lesson I learned, which is huge, beyond being more interested than interesting, which includes being of service and asking for help. I learned when I graduated that you cannot put faith in what other people want for you.

06:35 DM: You can’t, literally no matter how much they love you, we call these people family and friends, you can not put faith in what they want for you. You can take their advice and keep the advice that you align with, but don’t put faith in what they want for you, you put faith in what you want for yourself. And I then taking the same philosophy I became a millionaire, nine months out of law school.

06:58 SJ: Wow, that’s amazing.

06:58 DM: Now, let me explain why, ’cause it’s very entrepreneurial. I focused on acceleration and growth, I had a job that was supposed to pay $250,000 at plan, which was a great job, which is why I took the job. But it also… I knew one thing. I never had a real job, I was out of law school. Two, I didn’t have a territory filled with relationships. So how was I gonna go ahead and hit my number? Well, I knew one thing that most of the guys that were 50 years old in my job, they were working at most eight hours a day, productively. Eight hours. So I made it my focus that I was gonna work 16 hours a day, productively.

07:35 DM: And then I said to myself, “I’m gonna be twice as efficient with my time.” So with that time I’m gonna now work 32 hours of productivity. Then on top of that I was gonna be more statistically successful than them. But I knew I wasn’t as good as them. So what I did is if on average they were taking 10 meetings a week, I was gonna take 40 meetings a week. Therefore I could be half as statistically successful, and still sell twice as much, which would give me 64 hours of productivity. Then what I did is I said those guys only worked five days, I’m gonna work seven days. So if I’m working 64 hours of productivity, that’s eight days a week times seven days, I was working 56 days a week.

08:19 DM: So even when I became a millionaire, in nine months, I actually, I figured it out, I worked 10 years in nine months compared to the average rep, of productivity. And so basically I was nowhere close to the comp plan because I only was at 100 grand for 10 years, I made a million dollars. And that was a real great secret to success of being an entrepreneur was learning how to beat that efficiency, effectiveness and statistical success. And I carried myself and branded myself into the Silicon Valley after… We sold… The first company I worked for, we sold for $3.4 billion in 1995 which put me on a different trajectory which I leveraged into the Silicon Valley, raised millions and millions of dollars for a wireless proxy server company, branded and leveraged myself into being the CEO of the world’s first smartphone, the PCE phone. Remember I have no technology background.

09:12 DM: Talk about clothing… You clothe your ideas, right? But I’ll tell you what I always did. I never attached to an outcome, I focused in on the acceleration and growth, knowing that if all I focused in on was what I was supposed to do better efficiently, effectively and statistically successful. I do a lot of business coaching now, and executive coaching. I got a kid that works for one of the Big Four, or whatever they call themselves now. And he said, “I wanna be the youngest partner. I wanna make it to partner faster than anyone at this big firm.” I said, “Stop. That’s not what you want.” I said, “What you wanna do is bring as much rain in and work as efficiently as you can, because then they’re gonna offer you partner.”

09:50 SJ: Yeah. Where it happens, it happens. Yeah. Yep.

09:53 DM: We had our call this weekend and he did over a million dollars of business from Tuesday to Friday last week and they’re talking partner to him. And I told him, “Doesn’t that feel better than telling everybody you’re gonna be the youngest partner and attaching to an outcome without doing what it actually takes to be partner?”

10:09 SJ: Yeah. No, that’s awesome, that’s true. I mean it’s a really good point, so… Yeah, so I mean, it’s… You’ve had a roller coaster of a ride. [chuckle] I love it, man. It’s the…

10:19 DM: Oh, yeah, well, the roller coaster happened when I lost it all. That’s the real roller coaster. [chuckle]

10:21 SJ: Yeah, touch on that a little bit if you could.

10:25 DM: Yeah, so, there I was, CEO of the world’s first smartphone, a Windows CE device working with Microsoft and Samsung, and incredible experience. And then I lost all that I was raised on. My mom taught me to live in gratitude. She taught me to… I mean, she wouldn’t even let me come down in the morning if I didn’t have a gracious attitude. She’d send me back to my room, she made me say thank you at night. Forgiveness. I was a forgiving person. My mom, the humility that my mother had and forgave even my father who she never talked negatively about who was not the best dad, let alone, he’s probably one of the worst husbands you could imagine. And then, accountability. My mom had this rule. All you do is ask yourself, “What did I do to attract this to myself, and what am I supposed to learn from it?” She would say life is only about lessons.

11:13 DM: I’ve later learned that the lessons keep on coming until we learn them. And you’re gonna get pain in between until you learn the lesson, and more importantly you’ll forget every lesson that you ever learned almost every day. So just rely on the power that you have to remember the lessons. Anyway, I surrounded myself with the wrong ideas, surrounded myself with the wrong people, I forgot about my gratitude and empathy and accountability, I forgot that I was connected to the highest source ever of power and enlightenment and inspiration, and literally went down a terrible spiral. And two years before I lost everything, I had several warnings. My dad warned me and that I was just like him, that I was gonna be the richest man in the cemetery, and gave me a jacket with no pockets to remind me to hang in my closet that I couldn’t take anything with me.

11:56 DM: I had my best friend tell me, he didn’t like anyone I was hanging out with and I lied to him. I’m like, “I’m not doing what they’re doing.” He goes, “You can lie to me but don’t lie to yourself.” And then the ultimate thing happened, my wife threatened to leave me. And I’ve known my wife since the fourth grade. I’ll kick my coverage, beyond belief and I… Talking about scared straight, I can do the TV show with Scared Straight, my five-footed, gorgeous, wonderful wife scared me straight and told me that unless I changed who I was, that I better be getting used to being lonely and poor because she was gonna leave and she was gonna make sure she left with everything I had. And weirdest thing in my life is I went through a quantum shift of transformation as an entrepreneur two years before I lost everything. So most people bottom out economically and then make a shift.

12:43 DM: I was on a serious upturn spiritually and inspirationally when I lost everything, it was almost as if I was preparing myself to handle the greatest lesson of all time, which was to lose over $100 million and be able to turn it around extremely quickly with passion and purpose and illuminate what I did so other people can learn from my lessons. I try to be vulnerable is what they say, but I’m invulnerable, because all I do is try to live as close to the truth that I can so other people can feel comfortable learning.

13:15 SJ: Yeah, yeah. No, that’s awesome.

13:17 CH: And I imagine that series that you underwent or endured where you lost everything, and then kinda built yourself back, that’s what put you on the path towards public speaking, right? You got to… Basically, you went… Underwent all this pain, and you found some sort of truth at the end of it, and now you wanna bring that, and share that with the rest of the world.

13:39 DM: Yeah, and I started just within my own company, partnering with Warren Moon and having Sports 1 marketing, I would do trainings every Friday, and my general counsel said, “Hey man, you gotta write a book about this ’cause you’re touching these kids, you’re touching these employees, you’re changing their lives.” And through that motivation, then the book came out, and then people said, “Hey, can you come to my school?” When I started speaking, I spoke 100 days my first year, and I barely… I traded sometimes for rooms and travel and a couple tickets and stuff like that, but I didn’t make money speaking, but I was everywhere practicing, honing my skills of teaching the lessons and telling the stories. And then guys like Forbes and Entrepreneur ranked me top speaker in the world. I started my… My first brand was, “I’m the top motivational speaker you’ve never heard of.”

[laughter]

14:32 SJ: I love that, that’s great, that’s great. And I know you were just mentioning the book a little bit, tell us a little bit about the book.

14:39 DM: Yeah, so this is my fourth book. I started with Connected to Goodness, which was a bestseller, then Compassionate Capitalism, and then Jack Canfield from Chicken Soup For The Soul and I wrote a pamphlet for Unstoppable Foundation called, “Unstoppable, Create the Life You Love.” This is my first published, McGraw Hill, big-time book, it’s called, “Game-Time Decision Making.” And what I did, because I’m a big believer in lessons, is I took the lessons, and I broke it down into a pre-game analysis so I could tell people what I’m gonna teach, then I use all these killer sports stories that I’ve experienced from running Leigh Steinberg, the most notable sports agency, to Sports 1 marketing, to having The Playbook, and all the things I’ve learned, I’m using superstars, and John Wooden and just… The owners like Fertitta, Ford, just great entrepreneurs that own sports teams. And so you got the pre-game analysis, then you got all these sports stories that teach the lessons using the greatest names in sports and business, then I give a post-game analysis to go ahead and kind of coordinate and clarify what was taught by those stories, and it’s really made for a fantastic, bestselling book, and it’s really clear.

15:55 DM: One of the things I believe I am is a trans-coder, I understand highly complex, pragmatic and spiritual things, and I can put them down to simple things like, “Be a student of your calendar,” or, “Do it now,” or these simple, pragmatic ways to encompass the continuum of the conscious, subconscious, and unconscious mind, and that’s really what the game-time decisions are, is understanding consciously, sub-consciously and unconsciously your value, so that you can evaluate things quickly and correctly to maximize your potential. That’s really as easy as it is. And I go through a very simple, step-by-step process to do that and tell really cool sports stories to teach it.

16:38 SJ: Yeah, that’s awesome, that’s great. I’m excited to check it out, I’m gonna… I wanna get the hard copy, so that we could just put it in the…

16:44 DM: Hold down your papers.

[laughter]

16:47 SJ: Yeah. [chuckle] So we could put it in the front of the lobby of our office, and then I want the audio copy, so I can listen to the audio copy when I’m working out. [chuckle]

16:55 DM: Oh my God, I did the audio myself.

16:57 SJ: Okay, cool, that’s even better. I always like it when the… Yeah, yeah, that’s great.

17:00 DM: Talk about evolution, this is important because you talk about evolution. I’m consistently… My goal in life is to enjoy the consistent, persistent pursuit of my potential, whatever it may be. That’s an evolutionary goal. I believe my life is an evolution, not a revolution, and I’m reading my audio book, the book has been done, and they have me do it myself, and because I’m evolving, half of the book I’m reading, I’m like, “Oh, I could… There’s so much more I could have said.”

17:28 SJ: You’re making edits. [chuckle]

17:30 DM: I wish I could, it was driving me nuts.

17:32 SJ: Yeah, right. Yeah, that’s so funny.

17:36 DM: The guy recording it kept on laughing at me cause I’m like, “Oh my God, this isn’t true anymore.”

17:38 SJ: You can’t change it. [chuckle] That’s pretty funny. So tell us a little bit about Sports 1 Marketing agency, tell us a little bit about what you guys do. I think it’s pretty funny, because Warren Moon is like the goat of quarterbacks, and then you’re like the goat of speaking and business and stuff, so you guys probably make an amazing team.

18:00 DM: Yeah, we’re kinda like Danny DeVito and Arnold Schwarzenegger, and I won’t tell you who represents Danny DeVito.

[laughter]

18:05 DM: But we’re blast… It’s funny, because we both were partners with Leigh Steinberg, one of the greatest sports minds of all time, one of the greatest sports lawyers of all times. They actually did make the movie Jerry Maguire based on Leigh and Cameron Crowe followed him around, he’s the real deal, he’s the goat. And so we learned… We both learned from the goat, and Warren and I spun off a marketing company. Specifically, what we decided was we don’t wanna represent the athletes and celebrities, we wanna use them as the bug lights to attract making a lot of money, to help a lot of people, and have a lot of fun. So everything we do has the greatest names in sports that we don’t represent, at the Super Bowl, the Pro Bowl, the Masters, Kentucky Derby, the Breeders Cup, award shows like the ESPYs, Emmys, Oscars, Grammys, golf tournaments.

18:56 DM: But everything we do has killer celebrities and entertainers in it, all for the purpose of raising money for charity, and then having fun. So those list of things that I listed out, Warren and I basically sat down and said, “Hey, I love the Pro Football Hall of Fame, I love the Clemente family, I love the Super Bowl, I love the ESPY awards, the Kids Choice Awards I love; so let’s do something there to raise money, bringing in all of the great people that we’ve earned credible relationships with, and let’s inspire people at these things and we can make money along the way. Look, I have a purely 100% distribution. My money, every penny I make, and I make a lot of money, I’m gonna make more money, unapologetic, by the way. I love to receive. Because I give it to my wife, I give it to my kids, I give it to my mom, I give it to my family, I give it to my company, I give it to my community, and I give it to the world. I’m the Chief Chancellor of Junior Achievement University. Almost all the books that I sell through these different things go to donate stuff to Junior Achievement University, Unstoppable Foundation. All my coaching. I go ahead and donate my first month to the Unstoppable Foundation, I’m the chairman of that. We build schools in Africa, in water, in financial literacy, and oh my god, healthcare, all the things.

20:14 SJ: That’s awesome.

20:15 DM: Thousands of people.

20:16 SJ: Great work.

20:16 DM: My 50th birthday, I did 50 parties around the world, around the world to raise money. I built two community centers in Africa. So I will tell you this, the real general lesson of my life. Number one, I believe that money bought happiness, and I had proof that it did. I bought my mom a house and a car and I’ve never been happier in my life, right? Nine months out of law school, I paid off my law loans. Money’s allowed me to do all kinds of cool stuff, stuff I… Some of it I should have done. But where I really learned my lesson is money is super important. It is the currency of our world. Meaning, it’s the energy, the object of energy that you put into the flow to get what you want. So if you have a green card, you can get just enough on Amazon. If you have a platinum card, you can get more. But if you have a black card, you can get everything for everyone.

21:08 SJ: Yup, I hear you.

21:10 DM: Same thing with faith. Faith is an object of energy that you put into the flow. But there’s an Amazon in the universe called the quantum field, the field of intention and if you shop with faith, green card faith, you’ll just have enough. If you shop with platinum card faith, you’ll have enough for you. But if you shop with black card faith, man, you could end up like Bezos, you can end up with anything, more than enough of everything for everyone, and I learned one thing. Money does not buy happiness, but it allows you to shop. The same way that faith allows you to shop. And if you shop for the right things, if you put faith into the right things, you will be so happy I promise you. Right? So, don’t have a problem receiving. The number one piece of advice I have for people is ask. Ask, “Do you know anyone that can help me?” Most people have a thousand people that they know now, right?

22:03 DM: If you ask them, “Do you know anyone that can help me?” It’s inclusive of them. But statistically, your network will grow minimum by one person a day asking 30,000 people a month, 360,000 people a year. In 10 years, it’s 3.6 million people. Even if you are statistically unsuccessful, you’re gonna be successful. Imagine if you ask 10 people a day, or 20 people a day, what the numbers could do.

22:27 SJ: It goes back to what you were saying before with how you worked, how you out-worked everybody within sight of there. If you’re gonna ask more than other people, you’re gonna build your network faster in a faster amount of time.

22:38 DM: And when I ask, I’m always of service, right? That’s the coolest thing, I create a flow. The giving is easy, everybody… People talk about why, I think the “Why” is BS because everybody’s “Why” is the same. They wanna help. You put, “I want to help blank.” And now you’ve filled out everybody’s “Why”. Where people are chicken shit, excuse my language…

23:00 SJ: No, I love it. Go. [chuckle]

23:00 DM: They’re afraid to know their “What” they want and ask for it and then they’re afraid even more importantly to ask for help on how to get it. That’s where people fail. Quit being a wimp, ask what you want, and then ask somebody to help you get it. And then when you get it, you can help more people because then you can give it away. You can’t give what you don’t have. Have more.

23:25 SJ: Yup. Love it, man, love it. So it’s an awesome message.

23:30 CH: You’re getting me fired up over here, man.

23:30 SJ: Yeah, I’m ready to go. That’s awesome.

23:32 DM: Cunningham behind you is fired up.

23:34 SJ: Yeah, we’re gonna hit the phones hard, do some sales calls soon as we get out of here. But yeah, that’s just awesome. I love the way that you just kinda laid that out. I never really heard of it like that, and I think that’s really cool. So, who are some of the entrepreneurs that you look up to and that you follow with inside of the industry if you could touch on those?

23:54 DM: I have some old school ones that a lot of people don’t know that built the basis or foundation. In fact, I was blessed. WGN just did a TV show called World’s Greatest Motivators and I got to be around some of these people. Bob Proctor, Napoleon Hill before that, I read him. Napoleon Hill, Bob Proctor, Les Brown, Mary Morrissey, the old school Blaine Bartlett, World Business Council, great business advisor. But then, that’s where the great ideas come from, and I think a lot of the social media people, they’re missing… Brian Tracy is another one, David Corbin the traditional guys that don’t put their stuff up because they don’t know how.

24:38 DM: Then what I did is I partnered with the best on the other side, the Gary Vaynerchuks to teach me how to capture, amplify, and perpetuate the content that I learned from the greatest minds on earth. You know Bob Proctor’s 85 years old. Me and Gary Vaynerchuk together could not hold on a pencil the amount of knowledge that guy has about being an entrepreneur, let alone Napoleon Hill. I go to the Napoleon Hill Foundation. I went there to help me write my books. I read Napoleon Hill every day like it’s a Bible because I wanna know the traditional, the actual content, and then I need real experts like Gary to teach me how to capture, amplify, and perpetuate that. Shakespeare said it years and years ago, “The world is your stage”. Never before has it been more true that the world is your stage. Everything you can do can help inspire and empower and teach people. Just gotta be your phone, or have a guy follow you around with a camera, and you can do unbelievable things to help the world.

25:38 SJ: Yeah, now is the time, now’s the time. Everybody is almost on an even playing field, so… I know Chase always likes to ask. Go ahead.

25:46 CH: Yeah, so typically ’cause we’re coming to the end here I was gonna ask you if you had two or three tips for young entrepreneurs who are either trying to start a business or trying to get with the agency, or the industry that you’re in.

26:01 DM: Yeah, absolutely, so number one is look at acceleration and growth. Don’t look at the outcome. So if you’re trying to get into the industry, the hard part for entrepreneurs and for people getting in industry is they start, let’s say at 18, by the time the 30 they’re only 25% of the way there, and 99% of them quit. But if they were focused on the acceleration and growth they would realize that by the time they’re 36, six years later from the 12, maybe 50% of the way there. And then of the 1% that hang on, 99% of those guys quit, and the saddest thing is at 39, they’d be 100% of the way there, so if they put faith in everyone else is telling them they’re a loser and all these things, they gotta get married and buy a house and they can’t live the way they’re living. Well, at 39 they’re the ones that are lucky. They’re overnight successes, overnight successes after 11… It’s just so frustrating.

27:00 DM: The number two thing is you gotta ask. I’m telling you, if you’re young, ask for help. Old geysers like me love to help young people. All you have to do is, “Hey, do you know anyone who can help me get a job with the Dodgers? You know anyone who can help me with starting a company? Building my brand? Doing a podcast? Writing a book?” Ask, ask, ask, ask find the guy that you wanna be like, that sits in the situation that you’re in, or a woman, and ask for help. The last thing is you gotta be a student of your calendar. You gotta study your calendar, the time that you’re spending with a lens of productivity and accessibility. Right? We have 24 hours a day, you gotta study it. Don’t look at it, be more interested than interesting. Study your calendar and make sure that if you can do something now, you do it now, if you can’t, put it in a ‘do-it-now’ folder prioritized by what’s important first. Delegate what’s urgent and not important. Do what’s important first. If you do things now you save at minimum twice as much time and exponentially you’re more successful.

28:00 DM: Those are the simple tips that I give young entrepreneurs. So please be kind to your future self and do good deeds and everything will come your way at the right way at the perfect time.

28:08 SJ: Perfect, perfect.

28:10 CH: What a way to end it. Thanks so much David.

28:12 SJ: Hey David, thank you so much for coming on, we really appreciate it. Love watching you, love watching your career, can’t wait to see what’s coming up next. Chase is gonna go ahead and close this out, give all the information about your book and your handles and everything and our handles as well, go ahead.

28:28 CH: Alright guys, thanks for joining us, and if you’re looking to learn more about David Meltzer you can visit his website www.davemeltzer.com and find him on Twitter @davidmeltzer. It’s the same handle for Instagram. You could search him on Facebook, buy his new book, Game-Time Decision Making on Amazon. It’s awesome, I can’t wait to crack into it. David, thanks so much for joining us on the podcast today. It was great having you. And for all our listeners, if you wanna find out more about the Mack, talks how to watch, listen, subscribe, you could visit our website, www.themacktalks.com. Leave us a review on iTunes, follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, @macktalks. You can give Scott and I a follow as well. And that’s it.

29:11 SJ: David, thank you so much man.

29:13 DM: You’re awesome. If anybody wanna hook up I’m in New York all the time, I’ll be there on Wednesday and Thursday of this week, so if you guys are in the city ever let me know.

29:19 SJ: Awesome man, thank you.

29:20 CH: Let’s do it.

29:20 SJ: Thanks, take care. Wow, what a great guest David was. Lots of insight. Can’t wait to see that book.

29:28 CH: I’m all fired up.

29:29 SJ: I’m excited. And so we’re gonna roll it right into our favorite part of the show which is, Mack move or whack move, topic one.

29:39 CH: That’s right.

29:41 SJ: What do we got here?

29:41 CH: My favorite part.

29:42 SJ: You don’t have a sign. Prepped. Alright, so start off there Chase, what have we got? Topic number one.

29:49 CH: Topic number one, Fortnite millionaire. I’m sure you guys have heard about this kid, he’s making a lot of parents mad I know that ’cause now he’s got all the kids believing that they’re gonna be major league gamers and make millions of dollars.

30:01 SJ: Still Kyle… What’s his name?

30:04 CH: Kyle Giersdorf. People, he goes by the name Bugha, triumphed over 99 other players in the inaugural, which means the first, Fortnite World Cup held at Arthur Ashe Stadium in New York’s Flushing Meadows.

30:17 SJ: And he won how much money?

30:18 CH: $3 million.

30:20 SJ: Wow! Good for this young fella. He is the Michael Jordan of video games, right? That’s probably what he is at this point.

30:29 CH: Not the Michael Jordan, but he’s definitely a Dwyane Wade or like a…

30:33 SJ: No, LeBron James maybe.

30:35 CH: Well, he’s gotta win more than one World Cup to be like LeBron James.

30:39 SJ: Yeah, I guess so.

30:39 CH: He’s gotta win a couple in a row. He’s the Michael Jordan of 16-year-olds.

30:44 SJ: Well that’s the reason why you’re a little…

30:46 CH: He’s the Michael Jordan of 16-year-olds.

30:47 SJ: Alright, so you’re a young fellow. So I feel like I need to take it back to educate you as to why I said that. So before Michael Jordan won anything, and he came on to the scene, it was like, “damn,” everybody was just blown away by his look, his shorts, the fact that he was a high flyer, the fact that he was cutting edge. That’s what I was trying to say when I said that. Sorry for stuttering, but that’s why I said that, so…

31:13 CH: I still don’t see how it translates to this kid, but yeah.

31:16 SJ: Because he’s the first one to really…

31:17 CH: He’s great, yeah, yeah. But no. But there’s been gaming… Anyway. He’s got a lot of parents mad, and apparently he’s doing everything he’s doing, he does lessons, he does training in the morning.

31:28 SJ: Oh, I love it.

31:28 CH: He’s like an athlete, he’s like an athlete, he trains for hours and hours and hours.

31:33 SJ: I love this kid. I’m gonna go Mack move even though I know the parents are upset.

31:36 CH: Yeah, this is almost like an obvious Mack move because everybody wins here. The kid wins the money, he’s opening up a new industry for people to get involved in. I think any time a new industry gets opened up, it’s good for the economy, good for the American people.

31:54 SJ: But also he’s not the first kid ever to win money playing video games, as well.

31:58 CH: No.

31:58 SJ: Right? I mean there are kids that play Madden that win money.

32:02 CH: Yeah, FIFA, all of them yeah.

32:04 SJ: What’s the minimum wage on video games?

[laughter]

32:06 SJ: Alright, so we’re gonna go on to topic number two.

32:11 CH: Alright, topic number two. This one’s really interesting.

32:15 SJ: This one is very strange.

32:16 CH: Kanye west is being ordered by the City of Calabasas to stop work on Star Wars inspired affordable housing. He’s been working on this project for a while, and just recently, his neighbors started to complain that he’s doing things without permits, construction…

32:40 SJ: Rich people are pissed off. I like the cause behind what he’s doing, but don’t piss off your neighbors, dude. Don’t piss off your neighbors.

32:48 CH: He’s going full Elon Musk and he hasn’t even… He’s never invented anything, he’s just creative. He’s a creative guy and he’s… But he’s going full Elon Musk.

33:00 SJ: I like the meaning behind what he’s doing, but it’s also like you can’t just… It seems kind of cult-ish, to be honest with you. If you’re gonna build… I don’t even know where the Star Wars thing comes in.

33:12 CH: It does, it does, it does.

33:13 SJ: I have no effing clue why he’s building them like the Star Wars igloos, right? That’s what he’s doing, why?

33:21 CH: I don’t know. It’s cool though because remember, in the first Star Wars episode, they show you the inside of one of those houses, and it goes underground and they’re like… And it’s sick.

33:29 SJ: I highly doubt that.

33:30 CH: It’s cool. I also think if you guys have seen his fashion designs and stuff, I really think, aesthetically, this housing, the color pallets, the earth tones, everything that has to go with it, matches up with his design and his brand, like his clothing. I don’t know what that has to do with it, but he’s creative.

33:50 SJ: Well, I would like this, this is what I would like. I would like for the Kardashians to do an episode on this shit, that’s what I wanna see. I wanna see Kris Jenner out there in them igloos.

34:01 CH: You know what I wanna see? An Elon Musk-Kanye West collaboration.

34:06 SJ: Elon Musk wouldn’t waste his time with Kanye West. He wouldn’t do it. I’m gonna go Wack move…

34:12 CH: He would.

34:12 SJ: I like what you’re doing, but ultimately, what you’re doing is you’re just wasting a shitload of money. Because I’m sure he’s been served a cease and desist to stop building, so I like what you’re doing, I like the concept of what you’re doing, but can you please do it the right way, so it can be sustained? That’s the reason why I’m going wack move. And also, I’m not really down with the concept that he went with. I would have preferred maybe something a little more, I don’t know, like the Amazon tiny houses. Because then when it doesn’t work, you just pull them away. You see what I’m saying? Come on, Kanye. Come on. What are you doing?

34:49 CH: Alright, definitely going 100% wack move on this. Love Star Wars, love…

34:54 SJ: You have the sign the wrong way.

34:55 CH: I meant Mack move. Mack move, sorry guys. Love Star Wars, love Kanye West. Honestly, I’d live in one of these houses if I could just have it to myself and don’t gotta share it with six or seven bros.

35:09 SJ: You’d have to.

35:10 CH: Just, hey, hey, let’s get these cleared with the city before you start building shit on your property. Let’s get it cleared. Maybe get the permits.

35:17 SJ: Maybe you should have the bros, what are they called? The dudes? JT Parr?

35:22 CH: JT Parr and Chad.

35:24 SJ: Chad Kroeger.

35:25 CH: Chad Kroeger.

35:26 SJ: Be like, “Hey council, Kanye wants to put in a permit to build these igloos, man.”

35:31 CH: Those guys get shit done.

35:33 SJ: They do.

35:33 CH: They get shit done.

35:34 SJ: When it comes to municipalities, they get things done, those dudes. We gotta get those bros on the show.

35:39 CH: I know.

35:39 SJ: We gotta get those bros on the shows.

35:41 CH: I know, talk about community leaders.

35:43 SJ: Yeah.

35:44 CH: Alright.

35:46 SJ: Topic three.

35:50 CH: Topic number three is Nike receives flack for plastic pollution after their new shoe, called the Nike Joyrides, debuts. So, essentially, an author from Gizmodo has a hit piece out on these shoes. They have these tiny little, what looks like plastic balls in the sole, which makes it feel like you’re running on sand. It’s easier on your joints, easier on your feet, makes you feel like you’re not beating to hell out of your joints. So the shoe is supposed to benefit athletes, but they’re saying that…

36:28 SJ: But they’re being shamed.

36:30 CH: Right.

36:31 SJ: They’re trying to shame Nike.

36:35 CH: Just to be clear, they’re TPE beads. So there’s these little beads that go in these pouches in the sole of the shoe. And I get it, I get…

36:46 SJ: I mean, I don’t know. I don’t know.

36:46 CH: I get it. What happens when they go to recycle these shoes, throw them away or whatever is gonna happen, these beads never…

36:55 SJ: They recycle the plastic, don’t they recycle the plastic?

36:57 CH: Also, dude, think about those fish. They’re gonna be swallowing these up and dying, it’s gonna get in their… Or birds, or any animals.

37:04 SJ: Why? Is someone gonna throw this thing in the ocean?

37:07 CH: How are they gonna get…

37:08 SJ: But they’re contained inside of the sole.

37:09 CH: How are they gonna get recycled. You know what? I’m not the first one, and this guy is not the first one to criticize this technology. Also, the same technology is used in body scrubs and toothpaste. So you know like the…

37:22 SJ: See, that I see as a bigger problem because it’s constantly used. Is this called pumice? [laughter]

37:29 CH: I know what pumice is.

37:30 SJ: See, so that actually concerns me a little more ’cause it’s constantly being used, but I don’t know, I’ll tell you what though, who is it that came out with the shoes that were recycled? Adidas?

37:39 CH: Yeah, I think so.

37:39 SJ: Yeah, Nike is on the wrong side of this.

37:42 CH: Yeah.

37:42 SJ: They’re on the wrong side of this. I mean, the only way this could go any worse is if they came out with a pair of plastic beaded shoes that were Colin Kaepernick shoes. That’s the only time they could actually be worse. If you wanna hit all the sore, hit all, get everybody who’s butthurt about these issues, we just get them all, knock them all out in one.

38:02 CH: So, I don’t know, maybe we gotta do a product review. If they’re cool enough and they got that cushioning…

38:07 SJ: That is way outside of our budget on product reviews.

38:10 CH: Well, we don’t even know how much they cost.

38:12 SJ: These shoes, they’re Nikes and they make you feel like you’re running on sand. I’m going a buck 30, minimum. Gotta be.

38:20 CH: At least.

38:20 SJ: They’re Nikes, let’s be honest.

38:20 CH: They’re probably 200 bucks.

38:22 SJ: Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. We’re not doing no… Unless, we send them back, we just go down at Bob’s. Is Bob’s still in business, I don’t know. What are we gonna do here? What are you gonna go with? I am going to go with that it’s a wack move that they’re being policed like this. I don’t foresee it being that big of a deal. I guarantee you, there’s probably a shit-ton of plastic on those shoes anyway, I don’t know. So I’m gonna go wack move on the fact that people are trying to shit on Nike about this, and I don’t really care about the shoes. That’s my stance on this.

38:57 CH: I’m gonna go with… Yeah, I’m gonna go with Mack move.

39:03 SJ: You gotta really think about that, huh?

39:04 CH: Mack move. Mack move, yeah, because for a second I was like, listen, I think that they…

39:08 SJ: You think it’s bad for the environment?

39:09 CH: Nike should be… Yeah, I do, I do. I think it’s bad for the environment. We don’t need this, we don’t need this. This is just gonna choke up little fishies and kill them.

39:18 SJ: Bro, I don’t know. What about the rest of…

39:20 CH: There’s no way to recycle these.

39:23 SJ: Okay, so then let me ask you this question. When are they coming for the ball pits?

[chuckle]

39:26 SJ: When are these sons of bitches coming for our ball pits?

39:33 CH: I don’t know, but that’s next. And I support that as well. Ball pits are useless. They’re usually just a great way to…

39:38 SJ: Ball pits. As a child…

39:40 CH: Get hurt.

39:40 SJ: As a child, ball pits were so amazing. You experienced electronics and cool shit when you were a kid. Me, I didn’t experience that, so ball pits were where it was at. Chuck E. Cheese back when I was eight years old, nine years old…

39:56 CH: God knows what diseases you’ll catch if you jump in one of those. God knows what’s going on in those ball pits. You can’t see underneath them.

40:03 SJ: I don’t know. But I’m just saying, they’re coming for the ball pits. They are.

40:08 CH: Wack move. This is bad for the environment. Nike, step it up. Alright? Next topic.

40:13 SJ: But it’s weird, because I went wack move that they were being shamed because of it, and you went wack move based upon the shoe. That’s kinda…

[chuckle]

40:24 SJ: It’s almost like we don’t know what the hell we’re doing here. It’s like we don’t know what we’re doing.

40:28 CH: This is an open… There’s very simple rules, Mack move or wack move.

40:33 SJ: Topic four. I like this one, this one hits me, this one hits me.

40:37 CH: Alright, can you actually explain this one a little?

40:41 SJ: No, you’re the moderator, bro.

40:42 CH: Alright, because you seem like you’re really passionate about this, and you know the rules of the NBA. Anyway, here’s the scoop.

40:49 SJ: It’s not NBA.

40:50 CH: Here’s the scoop.

40:51 SJ: Go ahead.

40:53 CH: So, agent Rich Paul, he’s a sports agent, calls NCAA’s Rich Paul rule harmful and exclusionary. He’s talking about a new provision in an NCAA rule that says that in order to be a sports agent for the NCAA, for an NCAA athlete, you have to have four years of college experience, or you have to have a college degree. You have to go to college for four years, you gotta graduate, you gotta get a degree in order to represent…

41:23 SJ: That’s a goddamn wack move. You only need a college degree when you’re operating on somebody, or maybe in the court of law. And I get it, some scientist shit too, whatever. But you’re gonna be an agent? Are you serious? To be an agent? Really? Really?

41:38 CH: What courses you’re gonna take? How to…

41:41 SJ: I don’t understand anyway, because Rich Paul gets these guys after anyway. He didn’t have Antonio Davis. He got Antonio. He doesn’t need to go into college, he doesn’t need to get those guys coming out of college, they will come to him after. So, that is the biggest wack move. I have such a problem with that. The NCAA is just… They’re such bullshit it’s unbelievable. I’m not down with it.

42:07 CH: What classes is this guy gonna take? Let’s talk about what kinda classes would a sports agent take in college?

42:12 SJ: Yeah, they want you to have a…

42:13 CH: What time are the games on?

42:15 SJ: An associate degree.

42:15 CH: What time are the NFL…

42:16 SJ: So, hang on a second.

42:16 CH: What time’s NFL prime time?

42:17 SJ: What if he graduated from school for graphic design and he has a degree? But I’m sure that they want a specific type of associate’s degree, is what they probably wanna see. But that’s bullshit.

42:29 CH: They want more than an associate. An associate’s is two years. They want a four-year…

42:33 SJ: They want a four-year?

42:34 CH: Full… Yeah, they want you to have your bachelor’s degree.

42:38 SJ: That’s some bullshit.

42:38 CH: Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

42:40 SJ: Look, he’s got LeBron, I’m gonna go with Rich Paul. If I’m gonna bet on which one of these is gonna work in their favor, I’m gonna say the NCAA probably helped Rich Paul by doing this. You know what I mean? Come on, now.

42:52 CH: No, I’m going with Scott. Wack move. You should have to have a degree to be a doctor or a lawyer, or something that actually requires you to have qualifications. This is something just like sales or marketing. You don’t need a…

43:06 SJ: The thing that I think is real funny is that the NCAA has no problem using athletes, and they don’t give a shit about them getting a degree. So, they have guys that come in that are one and done.

43:17 CH: That’s a good point.

43:18 SJ: They don’t care about those guys having degrees, but they can use them to make their money, ’cause they wanna make their money. So they’re like, “Oh, no, no, no, no, that’s cool. We don’t need… This guy doesn’t need a degree.” Right?

43:29 CH: That’s a great point.

43:30 SJ: Thank you.

43:31 CH: Hypocritical.

43:31 SJ: Thank you. Hypocritical.

43:33 CH: Hypocritical.

43:33 SJ: The NCAA is the definition of hypocritical. They really are. They suck.

43:38 CH: And everybody knows that.

43:39 SJ: They do, they do. Alright.

43:41 CH: Alright, last topic of the day. A$AP Rocky. So, US warned Sweden of negative consequences if A$AP Rocky was not released from the prison cell that he was being kept in.

43:58 SJ: Did they warn him…

43:58 CH: They were saying that…

44:00 SJ: Thug rappers would warn other thug rappers…

[laughter]

44:04 CH: Listen, this could have been a trade thing…

44:07 SJ: Could they say, “Don’t mess with your boy?”

44:07 CH: We won’t trade with you if…

44:08 SJ: “Don’t mess with your boy?”

44:09 CH: Yeah. Basically, you know I told you Kanye West, you definitely heard Kanye West and President Trump teamed up for this endeavor.

44:17 SJ: And they got him out.

44:18 CH: And, yeah.

44:19 SJ: And now he’s gonna be staying in the igloo, Kanye’s backyard.

44:24 CH: And if we saw the video, A$AP Rocky didn’t do anything. I think he was wrongfully imprisoned. I think Sweden’s trying to make an example out of him, saying that, “You can’t just come to our country and leech off of our audiences here.”

44:36 SJ: But I don’t understand. Sweden is really weird too. You don’t get a trial? Or what is it? How does it work? You’re just guilty.

44:43 CH: You go straight to… It’s a scare tactic. So, if you get charged with something, you go right to prison no matter what. Or, you go to jail, you don’t go to prison.

44:53 SJ: So, have you ever seen…

44:54 CH: You go right to…

44:55 SJ: My favorite program, it’s called… And stop sticking your hand in front of my camera, bro, just stop it. But my favorite show is Locked Up Abroad. Locked Up Abroad, A$AP Rocky edition. Huh?

45:09 CH: That will be a fire episode.

45:10 SJ: Call your boy… Call your boy who’s gonna call your boy, and your boy is Kanye and he’s gonna call your boy and that’s his boy, which is Donald Trump.

45:18 CH: So now a bunch of celebrities…

45:21 SJ: Come get your boy.

45:21 CH: Performers are boycotting Sweden saying like they’re never gonna perform there.

45:26 SJ: I would suggest they be very careful there.

45:28 CH: Snoop Dogg being one of them. Kanye I believe also obviously, says that he won’t go there and perform anymore.

45:34 SJ: So what did we say? You mess with our rappers we’re gonna drop tariffs on you?

45:38 CH: Yeah, if you wrongfully imprison our performers, then yeah.

45:42 SJ: Like you love our performers, we’re gonna put tariffs on them.

45:45 CH: Yeah.

45:45 SJ: You wanna buy their CD, you got tariffs.

45:47 CH: Yep.

45:47 SJ: Nobody’s buying CDs, it’s just something to talk about.

45:48 CH: Well, they… Hey, it was successful and honestly, if you told me… If I told you 10 years ago that Donald Trump would be collaborating with Kanye West to try and break A$AP Rocky out of a Swedish prison, you would look at me like I had nine heads.

46:05 SJ: I would. It’s stupid.

46:07 CH: Isn’t that crazy.

46:07 SJ: Yeah.

46:08 CH: It’s crazy the world we’re living in here.

46:09 SJ: I don’t even know what we’re voting on here. What are we going with? Like I’m going with…

46:13 CH: Is this whole… Is getting…

46:14 SJ: If it’s bullshit then…

46:15 CH: Is the US pressuring Sweden to release A$AP Rocky?

46:18 SJ: Because he’d really anything that wrong, I guess I’m gonna go Mack move. Although, if he did do something really wrong I would have a problem with them doing that. But I saw the video. I don’t think that what he did was warranted that. You know what I mean?

46:34 CH: Yeah. It not like he… He didn’t assault anybody really. Nobody really got hurt. And the worst part about this is the people that were inciting this violence, those two guys that were following him around didn’t go to prison. Like they didn’t get anything.

46:47 SJ: That’s bullshit.

46:47 CH: They don’t even know… They’re not even residents of Sweden.

46:51 SJ: That’s bullshit.

46:51 CH: So why?

46:52 SJ: Where are those guys?

46:53 CH: Yeah, where are they?

46:54 SJ: Get them. Alright, that concludes this round of Mack move or Wack move. And this actually is the end of our episode, which is episode what? 33?

47:09 CH: 33 it should be. Yeah.

47:10 SJ: Wow, a lot of episodes. We had an awesome guest man. I love that dude. I can’t wait to listen to that book.

47:16 CH: I know, I hope we get to meet him too.

47:17 SJ: I cannot wait. We really do have to get the book. Signed copy? Can we get up with him?

47:22 CH: I’m gonna send my boy Parker a message.

47:23 SJ: I’ll tell you what? You got Gary Vee’s text, right?

47:25 CH: Yeah.

47:27 SJ: He’s going to see Gary. He’s going to see Gary, shoot him a message. Be like, “Hey, we’ll come see you at the DailyVee.”

47:34 CH: Mack Talks, Gary Vee, David Nelson.

47:37 SJ: See how we can do that. We could do little to something, something, something.

47:38 CH: Two for one special.

47:39 SJ: Get a signed book. Get a signed book. So alright cool, so that concludes this episode. Chase, why don’t you go ahead and close us out, give people our handles, tell them to leave us reviews and all that good stuff.

47:50 CH: Alright, so as always I just wanna say thank you so much for joining us ladies and gentlemen for this episode of the Mack Talks. And if you’re looking to learn more about David, you can visit his website www.davemeltzer, M-E-L-T-Z-E-R.com, and find him @Davidmeltzer on Twitter and Instagram. Search him on Facebook. Buy his latest book, Game-Time Decision Making on Amazon. It’s supposed to be a hell of a ride. David, it was awesome having you on the podcast. For all of our listeners, if you wanna find out more about the Mack Talks how to listen, watch and subscribe, you can visit our website www.themacktalks.com. If you like our content leave us a review on iTunes. Every review makes a big difference to support the show.

48:36 SJ: Leave that review.

48:36 CH: Subscribe to our YouTube channel and like us on Facebook. Look guys, we gotta keep the lights on here. Okay. Someone’s gotta pay the bills. Alright.

48:44 SJ: And not that reviews pays the bills, ’cause they don’t.

48:47 CH: But it will.

48:47 SJ: But eventually it will.

48:48 CH: It will.

48:49 SJ: It will.

48:49 CH: So you can also give Scott and I a follow. I haven’t done this in a while so, @scotty_content_ and @Chase_hutcheson_.

49:01 SJ: Next time.

49:02 CH: Like, subscribe, comment.

49:03 SJ: Like, subscribe, comment. See you guys next time. Thank you very much. Bye bye.